Drivers

[Soulari-]

The standard drivers on my recovery cd's work perfect for cs.
Never get any lag on cs 1.6.
But WTF do new drivers screw cs up?
I installed them to play NFSU2 again with the knowledge that it would happen but I want to know why cause new things should improve the current things.
Getting constant choke and below 60 fps.

Is it because I use omega drivers (drivers with special tweaks to improve performance or quality, I chose performance)?

I did a rollbac, I tried uninstall and install the old drivers but it screws cs up (check one of my old topics where I said that my screen moves to teh left)

[Green_Goblin]

Turn vsync off? for the fps prob?

Don't use omega drivers they'll fry your gcard :P

[TheTrout]

As GreenGoblin says, don't use Omega drivers, go to your graphics card makers site (Which isn't always ATI, for instance mine is a Powercolor) and get "the latest" drivers off there. They tend to have been tested with your card an posted because they are stable. (I still feel that Nvidia are better than ATI in this respect, as I never had a problem with the general Nvidia drivers, where as ATI drivers are P*ssy as hell)

[TWAT]

Turn vsync off? for the fps prob?

Don't use omega drivers they'll fry your gcard :P
Oh yes, the dreaded v-sync... Hands up everyone who actually knows what it does and how it affects your FPS.

When we are talking about FPS in CS, 2 out of 10 cases, turning off v-sync is just stupid. 7 out 10 cases it's just very, very, very, very fucking stupid. The only time that turning off v-sync actually makes a difference is when you are trying to play cs with really crappy and old gfx-card.

I've been using omega drivers for 2,5 years now I never had any problems with them. I've never heard anyone managing to fry their gfx-card with them. And tbh I see no point using normal ATI drivers that give me roughly 85fps compared in cs to omegas 100fps.

I'm sure your fps problem is caused by something else than your drivers. Have you got rid of the 60Hz bug?

[Soulari-]

Of course I thought of V-synch, refreshrate and reso.
V-synch off always helps here.
Omega drivers improved my CS: Source so that's why I used it.
Now I have he official Nvidia drivers. CS is running better but still not as good when I had the standard drivers that got delivered with the pc but unfortunately Rollbacks, deinstall, reinstall does not work.
I was wondering why old drivers are better than the newest?
I have a Nvidia Geforce FX 5600 btw.
And are there some special drivers for my card for optimal performance ?

[TWAT]

Of course I thought of V-synch, refreshrate and reso.
V-synch off always helps here.
How does turning v-sync off help? Do you know what it does? Are you absolutely sure that you have setup the drivers correctly and got rid of the 60Hz bug?
CS is an old game and thats why older drivers tend to work better than the new ones.

[JanthraX]

er whats the 60 Hz bug???

[DarkEntity]

V-sync limits your fps to the monitor's vertical refresh rate, as standard it's about 60Hz, but that's just a stupid refresh rate lol, it hurts my eyes so bad... 85Hz is best in my experience, and then i guess you could leave v-sync on as 85fps is fine.

if you're unsure, right-click on desktop, properties, settings, advanced.. and then under the monitor tab, it should have a drop-down box with refresh rates your monitor supports, usually, the higher the better.. but be careful as some monitors can't go very high with the refresh rate and you must use ones it supports

[GreenGrass]

I seem to have pc lag problems too... thats why I dont play much... it simply looks like memory runs out.... but that cant be true as I have 640 MB... any ideas ppl... pm me or catch me on msn or post here if u nkow ANYTHING that might help... normally I never get up to 60 fps and vsync is off...

[TWAT]

V-sync limits your fps to the monitor's vertical refresh rate, as standard it's about 60Hz, but that's just a stupid refresh rate lol, it hurts my eyes so bad... 85Hz is best in my experience, and then i guess you could leave v-sync on as 85fps is fine.

Actually it doesn't limit your fps, it just synchronizes the frames that your GFX-card is producing with the frames that your monitor is producing so that the two frames are "updated" at the same time on screen. This gives you a better picture quality and stops the tearing effect. When we are talking about refresh rates, the higher the better. But keep in mind that forcing a higher refresh rate than your monitor can support may cause it to break.

I seem to have pc lag problems too... thats why I dont play much... it simply looks like memory runs out.... but that cant be true as I have 640 MB... any ideas ppl... pm me or catch me on msn or post here if u nkow ANYTHING that might help... normally I never get up to 60 fps and vsync is off...Need a bit more info than just how much memory you've got.

er whats the 60 Hz bug???There is a bug in Win2k and XP that basically prevents you from using higher refresh rates than 60Hz = maximum of 60FPS.

[Soulari-]

Download MultiRes or something and toy with it till that 60fps is fixed.
Btw twat v-synch off does give me an average of 10 to 20 more fps during cs1.6

Also u seem to know a lot about these things so have u got any tips/tweaks for me?

[HaYl0]

Also u seem to know a lot about these things so have u got any tips/tweaks for me?


thats because he IS Gabe Newell!

he knows his shizz tough!

[TWAT]

Download MultiRes or something and toy with it till that 60fps is fixed.
Btw twat v-synch off does give me an average of 10 to 20 more fps during cs1.6

Also u seem to know a lot about these things so have u got any tips/tweaks for me?
Unless you have a really old gfx-card v-sync should't really affect your fps that much. I have an old 9500 and I haven't noticed any FPS drops due to v-sync. You do understand that you can't have more FPS than your monitors refresh rate allows you. In other words, if your monitor has a maximum of 85Hz @ 1024*768 you can only get a maximum of 85fps. If you want to get good FPS in CS you need a good CPU, not necesarily a good gfx-card; people are able to get constant 100fps with old cards like GF2.

There are shitloads of commands to play with in your cs config to get more FPS out of your system, and if thats not enough you can always fiddle with gfx-cards settings. Most good drivers*cough*omegas*cough* come with nice little programs that can be very helpfull if you want to get more performance out of your card.

[Soulari-]

Why does my ping increase because of new drivers ffs?
I'm sure it's the drivers cause I ahven't changed anything else.

[TWAT]

Why does my ping increase because of new drivers ffs?
I'm sure it's the drivers cause I ahven't changed anything else.
There is absolutely no way your gfx-card drivers can affect your ping. The drivers may have a small impact on your latency though.

[[x]wyre]

My monitor only does 60Hz, and my gfx card (radeon 9000) only supports 60Hz at anything over 800x600 :(

I need a new monitor an gfx card (hopefully I can afford both when I get a job).

Thankfully, my CS config is about as pimped-out as it can possibly be, so I never have any gfx problems :D (this page right here (http://www.banana.nu/csb_page.banana?page=158) is bloody useful when messing around with config stuff).

Back on topic, my guess is that newer drivers cater for newer games, and stuff might be changed to suit new games that makes old games a bit buggered, only the card manufacturers don't know/don't care, cos new games is where its at yo'! Hence, drivers the same age as the game (or a bit older, so any issues have been resolved) are probably best when you want optimum performance.

Personally I think it's all a big conspiracy by the gfx card makers/game developers/jews/lizard men to force us all to get the latest graphics cards and the latest games.

[Soulari-]

There is absolutely no way your gfx-card drivers can affect your ping. The drivers may have a small impact on your latency though.

When I press TAB during a game I see my ping has increased.
Use to be one of the lowest pings on the server but now I've almost got the highest and am getting kicked occasionally due to high ping.

Now I don't even run mIRC anymore because then i get more chance to get kicked.

:thwack: drivers :thwack:

[TWAT]

wyre']My monitor only does 60Hz, and my gfx card (radeon 9000) only supports 60Hz at anything over 800x600 :(

I need a new monitor an gfx card (hopefully I can afford both when I get a job).
Your monitor must be really old if it can't handle more than 60Hz @ 800*600; are you absolutely sure have gotten rid of the 60Hz bug?
wyre']
Thankfully, my CS config is about as pimped-out as it can possibly be, so I never have any gfx problems :D (this page right here (http://www.banana.nu/csb_page.banana?page=158) is bloody useful when messing around with config stuff).
Pretty good site, but some of those commands are pretty useless if you only want to gain more FPS. Also many of those commands are just plain illegal in most leagues beacause they give an unfair advantage to the player that is using them.
When I press TAB during a game I see my ping has increased.You can't see your ping by looking at the scoreboard; thats latency. I find it a bit hard to beleive that your latency would have gone up by that much just because of the new gfx-drivers. Does this happen on all servers you play on?

[Soulari-]

Yeah general increase of...latency

[TWAT]

Yeah general increase of...latencyWell unless your ping hasn't increased the problem is in either your computer or in the server. I can't understand how it could be possible to go from LPB to HPW just by changing the gfx-card drivers.
Need more info...
What drivers were you using before?
What drivers did you install?
GFX-settings for both drivers?
How much has your latency actually increased?
Changes in your config?
Dodgy commands in your config?
Has the ping increased?

[Soulari-]

I am sure that nothing else has changed. I tried a defrag but it doesn't help.
Now I'm using the newest nvidia drivers which are to be found on their website.
No idea what version I had before.
Settings eh...uhm...2 render options are application controled, v-synch is off, aimed for max performance.
The increase is about 1/4...not really sure but all I know is that it's my drivers causing it and not my pc, net or the server.
No changed...
I had to cut down my rates to 25k, 101, 101.
All I know is that the number on te scores has increased and I get kicked for having the highest ping on the server.

[TWAT]

I am sure that nothing else has changed. I tried a defrag but it doesn't help.
Now I'm using the newest nvidia drivers which are to be found on their website.
No idea what version I had before.
Settings eh...uhm...2 render options are application controled, v-synch is off, aimed for max performance.
The increase is about 1/4...not really sure but all I know is that it's my drivers causing it and not my pc, net or the server.
No changed...
I had to cut down my rates to 25k, 101, 101.
All I know is that the number on te scores has increased and I get kicked for having the highest ping on the server.Well there is still no way that your drivers can affect your ping unless they somehow miraculously fucked up your modem settings. Your connection should still be able to transfer data at the same speed as before. Do a traceroute. I'm also curious about your rates; if you had to cut them down to 25k 101 101, what were they before?

[Soulari-]

They were 55k, 150, 150.
My downloads all ahve finished now so I'm going to watch my movies or back them up. After that I'll format once again and never install new drivers anymore....

[TWAT]

They were 55k, 150, 150.
My downloads all ahve finished now so I'm going to watch my movies or back them up. After that I'll format once again and never install new drivers anymore....I'm dying to hear the story behind those rates :rolleyes:

[Snader]

hahaha yeah TWAT....you're the ratehaxor

Tell us all about this nice action of Meteor :)

[Soulari-]

I'm dying to hear the story behind those rates :rolleyes:

I've said this before on these forums.... Cs looks much more smooth when I use high rates. It also makes me believe that all bullets I hit right are registered. I only use mIRC and MSN when I play CS so it shouldn't overload my connection. This also isn't ratehacking since it sends more data to the server (or was it the other way around?).

Anyway I'm going to format most probably this weekend :)

[geordiedmw]

meteor

probably a silly question but one you may have overlooked, you dont have any little proggys running in the background nicking bandwith also u are not on a wirless network with someone nivking your network bandwith

[Soulari-]

Nope I am sure I only updated drivers.

[geordiedmw]

whi is your isp im sure some one will know of a proggy that you can run a test on and it tells you the hops and the pings may be they are a poor gaming isp like aol who take you round the world to get u to your destination

[Rod Prime]

Hey I have a problem with fps too! my max is 60 fps now i hav a 15" SONY SDM-HS53, NVIDIA GeForce fx5200 and 512MB ram.

I have downloaded drivers and even then i am still unable to get it above 60.


If I try to get it above 60 hz and it comes up saying it is dangerous to set it above this level. any suggestions??

[Curly_Jules]

This may be a very stupid question but I have to ask anyway: what are the optimal rates for CS:S and CS 1.6 and how do you change your rates. Maybe you guys know some pages where this is explained?

[geordiedmw]

curly jules,

lol lots of posts about rates on the forums basically the lower your rates the less info is sent to the server and the less oftern therefore you could appear to be jumping around the server and where you were when i shot at you as to where you are when the bullett reg kicks in are tow different results ie i dont shoot you allthough you appear to be in the place i shot at.

However there are a lot of theories on rates and there affects. some people are accused of rate haxing for having low rates other peoplkes rates dont seem to affect them much, i tried to use 101 101 25000 this seems to be ok but can make some maps difficult to play on. Alos some servers set the minimum rates allowed im not sure if DD was going to implement this for the loony servers or not their was talk of this some time.


You will also find that some people have exceptionally low rates as this is the only way they can play the game our overseas contingent comes to mind but others have low rates and they are buggers to kill hence the cry "you fu**ing rate haxing bas***d you "on more than one occasion.

[Curly_Jules]

Thanks Geordie,

So changing your rates doen't affect your ping/fps/fluent movements/no stutter/lag it only affects your game cause it determines how/where other players see you and bullet reg etc.

And the 101 101 are cl_cmd and...I always forget the other one.

Anywayz thnx for the explanation.