Why are we here ?

[Merlin.Huff]

About a year ago we here at LA asked some regulars to go and play elsewhere. These people were generally a nuisance on the server and didn't fit with the friendly atmosphere we try to create in our community.

It has become apparent again that we have gathered another batch of regulars who are bringing the good, friendly vibes of the server down, and it has been decided that if this current trend continues then we will be having a clear out again.

The biggest problem we have at the moment is swearing. During the day many people have children who also play here, or their kids are watching, and we would like you to refrain from swearing during the day ie. before 10pm. The other problem we have is general abusive behaviour. This will not be tolerated at any time, and you may or may not get a warning before being kicked (or banned.)

The friendly environment that the staff put their own money and time in to (and a considerable number of regular players - as paying members), to help produce one of the best places on the net to play CS.

Why are we here ?

We setup to create a server with a difference:

One where old friends could play, one where stats and individual play where not the number one priority. One where new people joining would not feel intimidated and unwelcome and one where all ages could enjoy the game together. An Anti Cheat server!

Happy fragging

The Admin Team

[geordiedmw]

welll said sir.

looney is the only reason i play cs, i was a dod player as dod generally is a better place to play less abuse cheating etc. however since stumbling on to the looney server by accident i have not been back to dod. Lets keep the server clean shall we and all do our bit

[H@V]

Sorry if this includes me :thwack: :thwack: I don't usually play during the day but lately i've been off sick for the last 2 months due to an ankle injury, but hopefully will be back at work next week thank god, I understand what you mean about all the swearing, I hear alot of it as well as me doing it. AGAIN SORRY :bitchslap :bitchslap

It just gets rather annoying sometimes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H

[Snader]

don't tell me to leave.....:P
That; would be4 years and a quit then....

[Dolko]

If ive sweared then im sorry..Im just not sure...

[GreenGrass]

HaV is allowed... he is an injured hobbit :p

[Zeph]

HaV is allowed... he is an injured hobbit :p
Hobbitses are generally taller :thwack: :sun:

[RaydoX]

i cannot say that i am one of the above coz i only play late on swearing can be bad at times but i have not noticed regulars do it tbh.

at times it can be but to stop swearing all together can be hard it can be apart of everyday life to peeps i work in a warehouse and the place is full of peeps calling each other and havin laugh u kinda get used to it and becomes a part of your vocabulary and bad language just slips out.

normally when some nub camps and they get you

[Scooter]

look at all the guilty posts. Its just a kick in the ass guys, and like i said before if jake swears im telling my missus its you guys.

[[LA]zeid]

Does anyone find my constant "BUY DEFUSE KITS PPL" anoying :):)

It would be a shame cos its actualy working. I noticed alot of ppl buying it lately. And it has become my trademark :)
Teamplay is all thet matters.

[Gazaridis]

zeid']Does anyone find my constant "BUY DEFUSE KITS PPL" anoying :):)

It's fine, but can you stop spamming it when you're on the terrorist team? Thanks.

[Soulari-]

Erhm...'balls' does that count as a offensive swearing word?
I like footie.......

[[Valinor]*Manwe]

Are you thinking of both 1.6 and source server or just one of them? Because I think 1.6 is far better then source.

[Merlin.Huff]

Both servers plus on the forum

[Graverob..Dog]

Agreed. A few regs start off and the rest of the players think its ok and join in. Lucky I am not admin because there would have been some seriously long bans handed out some months ago.

[Ted[Dude]]

But what is swearing?

"Well, That sure bites the biscuit, Old Chap!.. How could you shot me in the face from over there?"

Should we start saying things like that? :)

And i don't understand the abusive behaviour.. I'm shooting bullets at the enemy teamplayers.. how can i be less abusive?

Or is abusive.. Teamblocking, Teamflashing, Uncalled camping at silly/annoying spots?

I do notice some people always say the kind of remarks you find on most CSS servers. "F U! No Way! WTF?"

But i'm never tempted to such primal forms of communicating it to other people on the server.

I've noticed that if you want to play well... You have to play totally relaxed and like you don't really care.. cause if you psych up.. you become more tense.. and you react more slowly.. with a relaxed piece of mind you aren't going to swear likely..

Just my 2 cents

[Snader]

I think 1 Warning is enough..@ Second swearing just 10min ban !! After that a week
I think we don't need to be soo soft...just 1 WARNING
With that soft...."LANGUAGE" the don't stop @ all

[[LA]zeid]

Adn you should realy consider kickind or 5 min baning ppl that dont give a rats behind about teamplay and map objectives. I played yesterday for about 2 hours and it was the worst teamplay I´ve ever seen on this server.
We played forest for example and it started nice. First ging escaped 2 times than I did it 2-3 times. It was nicely done. Than someone else becomes the VIp and just rushes firs and gets killd. 2 rounds in a row. Next VIP commits suicide at spawn. Next one makes it to the rescue point but says he doesnt want to escape and swears at me. He goues of frag hunting and dies. And so on and so on.

Aztec2003 was played and atleast 5 times the T planted at the bridge and the CT dudes just rush the damn T spawn. If they plant at the DD, CTs rush the T spawn the other way.
And the server was full of regulars.
Get it together people. You dont have to rush around like madmans playing everyman for himself to have fun. We have fun maps for that.

So I say the kick or timeban the worst of them. Or atleast increese the BombTimer to 1 min, so ppl can rush the T spawn, maybe kill the afk, than take the looong way back, slowely, and try to defuse, WITHOUT defuse kits ofcourse.

[Gonny]

The only thing i ever do is say i hate deagle, but its only a joke and he knows it. He mocks me back so its all cool right?

The loony server is the best place on the net to play cs and certainly the friendliest. I dont think i'd ever need to play anywhere else!! loony r0ckz0rs!!! :rockon: :D

[Legge]

Well i played for a couple of hours today and it seemed pretty good, ie virtually no swearing. Tho we did have a disscusion about weather or not "penis" is a swear word.

[Gonny]

Just been on the server and the atmoshpere seems better already!! good to see the bad language auto-kick back :)

The only problem was trying to get all the noobie non-regs to try to rush with me!

[Bad_Squishee]

I played today and a guy was banned caus of swearing...

[GreenGrass]

I votekicked one and votebanned another... the kick was teamkilling tho...


penis is the latin word for what we today have less nice words for, if its a swear word then I guess the doctors shouldnt use it and it shouldnt be used in medical and other books... it is the most correct term for then mans noble part!!

[Merlin.Huff]

The odd wtf, ffs, omfg, etc will happen but it does seem that some people will type it every time they get killed. None of us like to get shot but do we really need to see ffs every time?
I do wonder why people have to type "WTF" when they get shot, like it’s such a surprise. Its not a surprise, people are running round all over the map with guns, surprise surprise you are going to get shot!

We all want a fun enjoyable atmosphere when we are playing and we do not feel that "ffs" adds anything to the atmosphere of the server

All we are asking is for people to think about what they are saying/typing and also consider what the time is. Late in the evening things are far more relaxed.

[GreenGrass]

the one today was votebanned for being an arse tho several asked him to stop so I .. and revooo got tired of it and I started a vote.... if we do that the regs will soon learn to behave... I do appologize if I say the f word in a sentense over mic... but I try not to... noticed I did it today... sryyy

[Dolko]

Hm..Ive gotten addicted to say ffs.....But...I play mostly at night anyway....

[scab]

Well i played for a couple of hours today and it seemed pretty good, ie virtually no swearing. Tho we did have a disscusion about weather or not "penis" is a swear word.

PENIS IS NOT A SWEAR WORD

[the Adster]

I only have spam to add to this thread as I'm in sunny Australia so can't play CS with you guys, or swear at you when you kill me. Oh well, I'll just have to go and do some more mountain biking then.

TTFN.

[revooo]

WTF???? Adster FFS mannn OMFG

[Scooter]

we all know the cool people and the naughty please stop being bummers to the admin and lets get on with having fun.


p.s i like goats.

[GreenGrass]

I like the Dino... and fish... and holy goats :D

[geordiedmw]

i had to vote kick a guy yesterday afternoon hoffa i think his name was as he had sworne twice and i had warned him once, i did it mostly as an example he came back on and apologised straight away. wich was very good of the individual. maybe we could have some kind of banner about bad language appearign every now and then bad language will not be tolerated you will e kicked or something like it ?

[Ted[Dude]]

A cool message of the day is a very good idea for starters..

I Like what the admins at "Freunden von OecherHaus" done with theirs..

You see a sweet quality picture with on the right side a beautifull woman.. (still decent though :) ) and on the left side the rules..

Now the motd is quite empty on the Source server

[Merlin.Huff]

Swear message has been added. No excuse if people continue now, just votekick now if its before watershed

[Special Stuff]

Hi peeps i just thought i'd throw my comments and observations into the ring..... with a quick caveat to begin with following on from what Scooter has said - this is not a whinge or a go at the admin team in any way at all....

however.....

the one and only reason i play on loony is the atmosphere as merlin mentioned in the original thread. My definition of a good atmosphere is NOT one where NO banter takes place.

The BANTER is the BEST thing about loony. I very rarely play on LA with more than 2 or 3 people i dont recognise and the level of banter is usually top notch. With this banter comes some swearing and i appreciate that the admins would want to reduce this however the sweariest people i know are schoolkids, and tbh this game has an age rating of 15 and perhaps they shouldnt be playing it in the first place? I do recognise however that sometimes the swearing can become ott and i am often a culprit of this - i hold my hands up - it usually happens when i am enjoying the game a lot and get excited(us over 30's can get over-excited u know!!).

Most people on LA appreciate the banter and i would hate to see it go because it is not as favourable as having an ultra polite server where no one dare have a joke with someone else in case it is seen as being insulting by someone else - lets not turn LA into an overly pc place to play CS PLEASE.

I appreciate that any society has to have rules but lets not become overly accountant like and say that 3 ffs and your banned - that would be awful.

The admins on the whole do a great job - i certainly wouldnt want to do it - but if the job of the admins is to make sure the server is enjoyed by its customers then some leway should be given on occasion to the customers themselves and they should not be ruled over by too many rules for rules sakes - imo.

God i need to lie down after that.................
ffs/po/fo lol

:)

[Pate Dogg]

Spech you sellout!


the one today was votebanned for being an arse tho several asked him to stop so I .. and revooo got tired of it and I started a vote.... if we do that the regs will soon learn to behave... I do appologize if I say the f word in a sentense over mic... but I try not to... noticed I did it today... sryyyYou did it today as well :)

[Special Stuff]

pate u biatch :)

[[LA]zeid]

Hi peeps i just thought i'd throw bla bla bla... white noise...

however...

bla bla bla... a good atmos... white noise....

Most people on LA...... bla bla bla bla bla... overly pc place... white noise
The admins ............ ignore ignore ............ customers themselves... bla bla bla awful.
blaaaa imo...
God i need to lie after that.......
bla bla bla

[Special Stuff]

not very helpful though eh zeid? or does my opinion not count?

[[LA]zeid]

I am sooo bored and this was the only active thread :)
Back to the subject..... no it doesnt count :)

True we shouldnt be too strict, but if only people could lern not to use the realy nasty words.
You can banter (new word for me, thx) someone without them.

[Pate Dogg]

For being so evil to King Special of Stuffington I will be amx_votekick [LA]Zeid if I every see you mention the words defuse and kit :)

[GreenGrass]

lol I am teh evil swear ban-man :p

[Dolko]

am i not allowed to say that I blow goats?

[sp00ge]

No you're not................sheep taste better

[TheTrout]

Note the editing to remove the swear words but maintaining the humour factor. :(

[Dolko]

Ahhhh...But i have to say it...darn..double darn...Frick!

[Ted[Dude]]

Yes, That really takes the biscuit, Old Chap!

Make you feel out in the sticks and up mud creek without a paddle! Doesn't it?

It seems the strawberry jam really hit the fan this time!!

[GreenGrass]

that makes no sens for me... well it does but not much.... O)K I understood it but it sounds a bit.... oldish or something...

[sili]

Well interesting thread ..sorry I have missed it until now.

If people really have to swear they can use the special loony swear word FO FINDY that can mean whatever people want it to mean. :cool:
I found out what omfg means: Oh My Friend Grassy :D

[madbird]

Or join the maddy school of swearing, (my latest convert seem to be Jackal). The idea is to pick (usually) 2 random words and stick them together into a new and (hopefully) amusing swear word. Examples are:

Cheesepiece
Poosticks
Bumcheese

I accept that I may have a cheese fixation but as it is fattening that is only to be expected.

[happynoodleboy]

Oh... Camembert of Doom!

[Kermit The Fr@g]

Lool. if we ever make it into the historybooks, this will be recorded as the daftest and most surreal discussion ever, based on complete sophisms and false argumentations.

Here we are blowing eachothers forkin heads off and then we are kindly requested to behave in an appropriate manner because young ppl might be offended or taught verbal stuff inappropriate to their age. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. It's like in the States, you can blow eachother to bits on the streetcorners, but when a Jackson shows a nipple theres a congressional hearing.

If you guys really want to do something, go clear out DowningStreet from it's war criminals and other perps, the ones that brought yet another tragedy over your country. That's where your real problems are. Better direct your energy to things that really matter instead of shooting into a void...

Change the threadname into: Swear at Blair... Your country needs it...

[madbird]

You do have a point there froggy, but it's not as simple as that to me. The thing with proper swearing is, it's not the words but the malice often put behind them. It's hard to get upset with someone and take them seriously if they call you a stinky poohead, on the other hand it's much easier to get upset if they call you a f****** blocking ****face ****.

Ironically it is the younger players who do most of the swearing and I agree with former posts that as cs has a certificate on it perhaps those who really are young shouldn't be playing. However, kids see mum and dad playing a game and they want a go because it looks like fun. If there's one server it should be safe to bring your kids to for the occasional game Loony must be it.

I think the issue for me is that yes, maybe swearing isn't the biggest baddest thing around, but teaching kids to swear from a young age could be argued to produce a certain mindset which perhaps may not be as healthy or useful later in life as another. Obviously it is entirely up to the parent how they choose to bring up their children and there is vastly more to it than a simple thing like using bad language, but as many people have said, they often play when their kids are in the room and to hear the sort of language i have edited above screamed down the mic at lunch time is a bit unnecessary.

Everyone let's the odd one slip out now and again, (swear word or indeed fart) and I don't think I've ever seen an admin come down on anyone for that. It's those who only seem to know how to communicate with cuss words that tend to end up in trouble. You could argue the admins are doing them a favour by forcing them to widen their vocabularlies.

If anyone is sitting there thinking "damn madbird being a stupid goodie two shoes" don't. I do swear, far too much in fact, but I respect server rules, (on all the servers I play on) and if i really disagree with them strongly I just leave.

Call you a stinky poohead later ;)

[Kermit The Fr@g]

Fair enough, CrazyBird.
My point is not to advocate swearing, i'm trying to signal that as a thinking and (possibly) aware species, we should have other priorities at the moment. Ti's not just that we might teach the youngsters wrong intent and a negative use of energy, no, at the moment their whole livelyhood and future is at stake. That's where my worry is. We are being rounded up by the forces of fear and violence and it is through our complacency that this is possible at all.
We simply refuse to accept what has already been proven and factualised, because the implications of such truth are of such magnitude that we have to consider being lied to by the ones we put our electoral trust in, our socalled "leaders".
In my classroom i try to hand my students the verbal and intellectual tools to voice either their dissent or consent, in a constructive and argumented matter. If that is accompanied by the occasional or frequential swearword, so be it. I consider it a by-product.
I know theres a large differnence (also in perception) between what is considered a slip or (deliberate or ignorant) real disruptive behaviour (as per our differences on little Mr. Deagle).
By no means im saying that swearing shd be promoted, but in this day and age if theres anything you want to say to kids. make them aware how they are entrenched in a system designed to control their mind and emotions, effectively preapring them for agendas other then their own wellbeing.
I have been called Anti_american by ny colleagues, a conspiracy theorist, bad inlfuence on the kids because i was supposedly pushing my opinions. Being an educated journalist, i do apply the principle of listening to both ends and i try to let my students make their own opinions. I never judge their arguments or premisses, i merely ask questions on waht facts or input they base their convictions.
If i would have to use a percentage (tricky ground, non factual, non empiric or statistical personal observation this one) i'd say that 95% of their opnions have been programmed by the massmedia and the resulting concensus of the moment.
A good example is the idea taht we are filled to the brim with Marrocans here, takin our jobs and livelyhood. I decided to test this in class and i found abbrevations (commonly shared, noone even came close to real figures of almost 800% to real data as per the CBS (central Bureau of Statistics in Holland). In the mind of these youngsters more than half the Dutch population were Marrocan. Confronted with real figures they not even flinch or shock at their own level of ignorance. When asked how these ideas come into play, they will use anything to defend their notion, the idea that they might be living with a falsified mindset is completely and utterly unacceptable. Mind you, this is the group of dissenters im takling about, the ones that kick the schoolsystem, voice their dissent and get kicked out.

I think we shd stop thinking in terms of right and wrong, good and bad, morally sound or unethical. these are but perceptual and temporal ideas. Rather teach the children to discern, look at reality objectively, learn not to judge but act EFFICIENTLY and RESPONSIBLE, teach them the laws of cause and effect.

If we grown ups cant do that (Mr. Blair and the Britsh Empire behind him is a case in point here) when it comes to reaping and sowing, what message do we give to our kids???
Never mind lads, you are fucked and owned by an elite cabal of psychopathic predators and theres nothing you can do about it, but hey, jsut don't swear and all will be well.
The last sentence is of course a sophism, but it looked good to conlude my point, you catch my drift....

[madbird]

Absolutely froggy and it's always interesting to read your posts because you have opinions without being aggressive about them and voice them in an articulate manner.

I agree with most of what you have said. However, I can't bring myself to feel the same way you do because if I did I think I would just crawl into a hole and not come out again, (oh wait, there is actually a very good argument for the fact I have already done that).

I hugely dislike the world we live in and the way it's run. I do claim enormous ignorance about it simply because the more I read, take in and learn about it the angrier and more depressed I become. Some people like yourself can cope and are indeed fired up by such injustice, others like myself find apathy sets in. To bring it away from the depressing though, there are always rays of sunshine, silver linings and light at the end of the tunnel. People can be horrible but they are also capable of great acts of selfless kindness and every time I see one of those it makes it all worth while.

Your comment on programming frankly terrifies me because I believe it absolutely. I have also caught myself on numerous occasions, (god knows how many times I haven't though and don't even realise) falling for programming, media manipulation etc etc. However, there is no way anyone isn't programmed in some way or another unless they live by themselves on a beach with no human contact. Even then they would be changed by what they see around them. Does this not make it important to at least try and instil some concept of good and bad into people?

Perhaps because of this I tend to focus on the smaller issues which I feel I at least have some control over. I refer not to the server but to myself, I can choose whether I swear or not and how I behave, (sometimes good, sometimes less so ;)).

I can't speak for everyone on Loony but I know many of us play cs there in order to escape from day to day things that wind us up. The happier and more friendly the atmosphere is on there the better.

[Kermit The Fr@g]

darn had this whole rant prepared and clicked it off... pffff

Maddy, I agree and understand where you are coming from. Only i wonder to what extent it is still functional to dwell in our own realities, while reality at large is being created and distorted right under our noses. I f we dont act now, take our responbilities (we ARE ALL EARTHLINGS, NONE EXCEMPT!!). we'll miss momentum and hand ourselves over to forces of entropy, a mere agenda of creed and selfinterest.
Look at the recent bombings, all too covenient at the moment that Tony the Phony is under severe scrutiny for the fabricated lies supposed to justify genocide and looting, laundering and plundering. Look at the press, see through the wording. Begin to count for inxtance how many time theres speak of ' undisclosed sources', " high ranking officials' etc. Or try to estabish one factual (just one) piece of proof that Arabs have invaded your country, organised in so-called cells under the umbrella of a purported Al-Q'aida network operating on every level of society and in the meantime also reponsible for the wear and tear of rubber carwheels in the Western world. If you read in retrospect about the illustrious terrorist Al-Zarqawi, who seems to have an infine supply of high ranking secondants (about everyday two or three get caught or linked to the man), a man who magically appears in more than one country at the same time, whenever useful or appropriate to put more blame on those pesky Arabs, man this only makes me laugh and smirk at the sheer stupidity of the powers fabricating these mock terrorist, but it makes my heart stop at the sheer ignorance and complacency of the masses willing to follow the deceptors into death for a fabricated cause and the resulting propaganda.
It's not really hard to discern the truth, but you have to be willing to accept that indeed, the reality as we percieve it is a conditioned construct. This War on Terror is not about Terrorism, it';s not about resources. The truth is much deeper and esoteric if youa re willing to open your mind. You'd probably have to because thats the exact medium they use to fek you over, the mind... This war is about owning your personality, instilling more and more fear till you completely succumb to inertia and can be rounded up for who knows what next...
Look at the hypocrisy of your countries number one man, Tony Blair, with his cynical blabber aout our civilised moral and values of freedom and democracy, crooning his buttmaster Dubya.... Manm waht proper timing, MI5, Mossad and Cia. In between Live8 and G8, right after Olympic nominations of London. And the oh so quick cover up of the major slip that the Israelis attending a conference close to ground zero were forewarned and as a result the Zionist honcho there decided not to be in the building.
Both Britsh and Isreali Intelligence confirmed this, but it was quickly out of the headlines the next day. This is your own government attacking its own people, like they did at 9/11.
The proof is out there but the mainstream media just ignore it. No real need to be baffled there, if you look at who wons the conglomerates and how they are linked to respective governments, carrying out their inhumane and dark agendas, you know enough.
Just follow the dots, fill in the blanks, do the research and then rebut me for saying: Well, i'll be fucked.....
Me and a few others on here constantly refer to appropriate sites, with proper investigative journalism been carried out instead of parroting AP end Reuters (Look who owns those). But apparently people have a real hard time to challenge their own convictions and rather live the bubble. Well i got news, it's about to burst in our face big time and if we are not prepared we are like lambs to the slaughter.
Fabricated lies, disinformation, genocide, all udner the umbrella of democracy, freedom and peace.
Fabricated by your own PM, guilty of warcrimes, crimes against humanity, high treason
and any other thinkable crime.
And you, the people, let him get away with it because you feel helpless, because its over your head.
Well it isnt, it is merely IN your head, constanly fed with the notion that you are insignificant, dispensible, meaningless drivvel, and you are about to be wasted for the personal agenda of a demonic elite trying to overtake the whole planet.
Happy safety with your new ID-cards, sleep well Britain, good monring Vietnam!!!
Act, ffs, stand up and swear at the bstrds. Castrate them of their power...
Motherfokkers...

(Of course the swearing was intentional and by no means the editor can be held responsible for any of the proposed ideas or opinions of underscribed subsidiary...)

[madbird]

OK, I'm going to go live in a cave :p

[scab]

too, big, posts, must, press Loonyasylum.net portal button...

[Gazaridis]

We simply refuse to accept what has already been proven and factualised, because the implications of such truth are of such magnitude that we have to consider being lied to by the ones we put our electoral trust in, our socalled "leaders".
Politicians lie? Impossible!

Look at the recent bombings, all too covenient at the moment that Tony the Phony is under severe scrutiny for the fabricated lies supposed to justify genocide and looting, laundering and plundering
What severe scrutiny? Can someone please point to some severe scrutiny? The last period of severe scrutiny he was under was pre-election, with the "Downing Street Memo". In fact, Blair was entering a period of having the sun shining out of his arse, as he was the man leading the entire continent of Europe, ending poverty in Africa, and most importantly winning the Olympics. What this bombing does is draw attention back to the Iraq war, and our relationship with America, which is the last thing Blair wants. Also, the ID cards bill had already passed its second reading which means they were in the bag. These bombings aren't at all convenient.

Or try to estabish one factual (just one) piece of proof that Arabs have invaded your country, organised in so-called cells under the umbrella of a purported Al-Q'aida network operating on every level of society and in the meantime also reponsible for the wear and tear of rubber carwheels in the Western world

Well there's Abu Hamza, whose trial incidentally started Wednesday, which could be interpreted as breaking the covenant of protection which the British Government offered to Islamic extremists so making Britain a legitimate target for Muslim terrorists living here. There's also the two kids from Leeds who went to Israel as suicide bombers. As for the cars, I dunno. Are you sure you're not just buying dodgy tyres?

If you read in retrospect about the illustrious terrorist Al-Zarqawi, who seems to have an infine supply of high ranking secondants (about everyday two or three get caught or linked to the man), a man who magically appears in more than one country at the same time, whenever useful or appropriate to put more blame on those pesky Arabs, man this only makes me laugh and smirk at the sheer stupidity of the powers fabricating these mock terrorist, but it makes my heart stop at the sheer ignorance and complacency of the masses willing to follow the deceptors into death for a fabricated cause and the resulting propaganda.

Well, someone's leading something. Someone's cutting peoples heads off. Someone is planting those hundreds of carbombs in Iraq which target innocent civilians, and make Iraq seem like a quagmire, almost wrecked Bush's re-election, and stop Bush's nefarious plans. Hey, I mean none of us have seem Hitler, have we? We just go on what our history teachers say. And how convenient no-one can show his corpse because it was burnt, explicitly for the reason that no-one would be able to see it! And why don't we look at who benifited? How convenient.
Or maybe he does exist and I've been reading indymedia and Democratic Underground too much.

As for the report that the Israeli embassy was warned a few minutes before the bombings, they're now saying that he was warned after the bombings, a few minutes before he was about to go to the meeting. In the aftermath of such an event confused reports often come out. For example, it was thought there were six or seven bombs, then there were four bombs at staggered at times, and now the story is that three went off simultaneously! Its a cover up! There were really seven bombs! Or maybe they got it wrong. Also, bear in mind that the source I used for the claim (on the main thread) was the Daily Express, whose editor likes to Goosestep around the office shouting "Heil Hitler", so they might have a slight bias issue. Hang on a minute, what am I thinking! The Express is part of the mass media! They're programming me to think it was the Israelis! And youve been fooled too!

It does sound like the old 9/11 story of all the 4000 Jews in the building being told not to turn up to work that morning, which was Tuesday the 11th, when Tuesday the 18th was Jewish New Year and so all the Jews wouldn't have been at work, and the claim surfaced on Wednesday the 19th on Palestinian radio, and theres reason to believe that the arrest of someone suspected to be part of the al qaeda cell could have moved the operation forward a week (so that flight times were the same). But then again, that can't have been the case because Al Qaeda doesn't exist. Im confused now.

But anyway. Getting back on topic, why does the existence of bad people in the world mean that we have to swear at each other on the server?

[Kermit The Fr@g]

But anyway. Getting back on topic, why does the existence of bad people in the world mean that we have to swear at each other on the server?



Merely pointing out that there might be more direct threats upon us.
as per your account of Mr. Blair's timing, it seems we beg to differ but that's alright.
Future will prove history i hope Gaza, i hope for all of us...
Noone is asking you to see things my way, this is merely my take on things. We all have a view on the puzzle and by God i hope i've been wrong all the time....